Interview: Italian Doctor Integrates Tong Ren Into His Practice
Dr. Giovanni Cellerini recently appeared on a television interview in Italy. Over the past years, Dr. Cellerini has been practicing Tong Ren on his patients and spreading the word about Tong Ren’s healing powers across the country.
In his recent interview, Dr. Cellerini discusses how he has integrated Tong Ren into his practice. He starts by explaining how early on his medical career when he was studying anatomy and bones, he realized that it would be beneficial to study the nerves. He also goes into discussing how important it is to keep a positive outlook on your health. When doctors introduce negativity or frighten patients, that only creates repercussions to our physical and mental health. He continues to discuss how Tong Ren connects to our collective unconscious, stimulating our bioelectricity. This positively impacts our mind, soul, and emotions and the spirit within each of our organs. Dr. Cellerini explains how he uses Tong Ren in his practice, along with tui na massage, and acupuncture to help heal his patients.
You can find Dr. Cellerini’s interview videos linked below (note these videos are in Italian, but you can find the translations of the interview in English below).
TV interview with Doctor Giovanni Cellerin
Italy 1 – March – 2021
The TV Station is located in the town of Pisa, in the Region ( State ) of Tuscany.
The journalist name is Carlotta Romualdi.Intervista Dr. Cellerini
Second interview.
Carlotta .: Welcome back, together again to talk about a topic that I love and therefore I allow myself every now and then to address topics that are also particularly dear to me and above all with guests who are particularly nice to me and whom I respect infinitely as Dr. Giovanni Cellerini who came back to visit us to talk about acupuncture. Well found doctor, thank you for coming back to us.
Dr. Giovanni .: thanks to you.
Carlotta .: We have received many emails because Doctor Cellerini has stimulated many minds and many unconscious things, because there has also been talk of the unconscious with this acupuncture, because many people may not be familiar with this. So let’s go back to this fascinating world of acupuncture, and let’s talk about it with Doctor Cellerini and we have to start a little from the beginning, and that’s right, to introduce this acupuncturist. Acupuncturist is an understatement, Doctor Cellerini is an expert in the practice that is called Tong Ren, which is a particular type of acupuncture, because acupuncture is a vast world. He was a traditional doctor, a family doctor, an expert in sports medicine and therefore had the health of many sportsmen at heart. Dr.Cellerini is from Florence, he is not from here, on the Tyrrhenian coast, and had these young players of the Italian national team on their hands, in what period?
Dr. Giovanni .: Between the years of 1976 to 1986.
Carlotta .: Nothing less than the Italian national team !!! And then as a thunderstruck on the road to Damascus, on the road to China or even the United States, because his teacher lives in Boston, he begins to know this new world since the end of the 70s. I didn’t ask him the first time, but how did love arise here in Italy, not later in his studies, but here, where is the love at first sight?
Dr. Giovanni .: Love at first sight was born while I was doing medicine and studying anatomy and so I was at the very beginning. I was studying the bones because after a test was given on the bones, in order to be able to do the practical exam, that it will allow to be admitted to the second year of Anatomy . And there I looked at these bones, I saw all the little holes, then I studied the nerves and thought, of course, how nice it would be to be able to interfere from the outside of the body without going inside and treat a person with one’s own means not to medicalize him, and I already saw , despite being a medical student, that in some way we medicalize the patient as an intervention therefore we do not give the person room to be able to heal.
Carlotta .: now I would like to make a parenthesis, sometimes I take liberty, someone will also criticize me and on this I would like to hear Dr. Cellerini’s opinion, not mine, in this context in which we find ourselves, in the Covid era, which has conditioned our entire existence in our period. In any aspect of our life, unfortunately, I have to say, the aspect of our psyche is not considered at all.
Dr . Giovanni .: Carlotta I would say that this is a very right answer. So let’s see for a moment, we are in a Covid era at a time of considerable difficulty for everyone. I’m not going to go into it, on the contrary I don’t want to go into everything that is the therapeutic aspect, everything that has been done or has not been done.
Carlotta .: He’s too smart to say let’s go to acupuncture and forget about everything else. It is clear, we are not talking about this, we do not want to advertise any practice, this is a more general aspect.
Dr. Giovanni .: I don’t want to go into political aspects. But here, if we continue to close people and closure means fear, we know from Chinese medicine that when we instill fear in a person we stop reality and stop reality means blocking the energies. Tomorrow we will have frightening traumatic stress disorders, which will necessarily lead to dissociative situations for which we will risk that our territorial mental health service will no longer work and we will find, if anything, the gynecologist who will take care of mental health because we will be full of unsolved stress pathologies.
Carlotta .: Not only on a psychological or dissociative level, but I also think about problems which then have repercussions in our organism even at a severe level.
Dr. Giovanni .: Exactly and let’s consider this that in Wuhan, despite all that is said of evil about the Chinese, situations such as that the virus has escaped from the clinic, all that can be said, there are very important statistics made by the Chinese on stress disorders, facts about whom?
About health workers, facts about the population, about the people with the virus, about everyone. So let’s just calculate this traumatic stress disorder in the medical profession. We find that 65% of doctors operating for Covid are depressed, then we find much greater traumatic disorders due to the impotence on the part of the doctor to face the problem essentially due to two causes, to the inexperience which is obvious because it is something unpredictable and that is what challenges us, because you feel unprepared, you feel naked in front of a problem that no one has taught you.
Carlotta .: Here we don’t have a solution for all this, but….
Dr. Giovanni .: Let’s say, however, one thing was done and it was not said. There have been many ways of reasoning. Then there are post traumatic disorders on the population, and the Chinese try to identify the case of the person who can freak out early, because each of us is facing the Covid era. With everything that everyone carries behind and each of us has their own resilience, this is the word that has become fashionable, but it is not infinite and therefore it can run out. One thing I want to emphasize is that Covid patients have also been treated with acupuncture and we have always said that it is not a scientific method. The field of science is a very open field. We Western doctors, we Westerners think that everything concerning this little piece of the brain, which is called the brain, and derives from our hectoderm, involves scientificity, in reality we leave all the rest of the body that is not scientific. If a person is moved, he cries and makes people who are seeing her cry because her story has created an emotion, in general what do we say? That he has emitted a hydro-saline liquid which moistens the eyes, which has antibacterial activity and this? Is this our science? Is this what the brain tells us? Or there is something more that is not about the brain, about the rest of the body, but about our soul.
Carlotta .: And here we come to another field that in this case oriental medicine takes into consideration compared to our western medicine. Acupuncture involves not only our organism from a material, tangible point of view, but something more or even our unconscious.
Dr. Giovanni .: it involves our unconscious if we think….
Carlotta .: But in what way?
Dr .: Giovanni.:In this way, then, let’s go back to the example above, our brain is the most stupid organ we have on us because it is only capable of on and off. Turning on and off, gives a signal and turns off the signal and then requires a tremendous job of the glial cells, to restore the signal. A much more intelligent organ that performs functions, for example, is the liver. The liver has about 200 functions that it is performing. The brain is a stupid organ, on and off and that’s the one from our science.
Carlotta .: Told by a doctor who for years also did as we said a little while ago … here is scientism perhaps in some cases …
Dr .: Giovanni .: It is very limiting. Everything that is scientific already provides for canons, already provides for a restricted area of reality in which to move, provides for everything that if there is only one example, discard it.
Carlotta .: Let us remember that any scientific experiment is in some way also possible to be questioned, it is liable to…. so in short there is nothing then, in short as we said that….
Dr. Giovanni .: We just try to fix people’s heads, tomorrow we will all be like robots,
This science will bring robotic men.
Carlotta .: So, as we said, let’s go back to talking about acupuncture which acts not only on our body but also in some way on what?
Dr. Giovanni .: It also acts on the mind, on the soul, it acts on the spirit, on the emotions
Carlotta .: How do you do it? we said….
Dr. Giovanni .: very well, if we also think at the Western level, sorry Carlotta, if I change the subject every now and then, but our real brain is abdominal, we have more serotonin, 60% of the serotonin in our body and in the abdomen and to the intestine which is our brain. For the Chinese, each organ has its own spirit and so it starts.
Carlotta .: and this is the sentence of the sentences .. I like it very much.
Dr. Giovanni .: Every organ has its own spirit, there is a liver, a liver that has already been seen by
arustics of our history, from the Etruscans, there is a beautiful example, of a liver, in Ferrara, which I thought who knows how big it is but it is very small and it is a liver with which divination acts were performed the future, the history. So we can say that there is a liver, which is an exceptional organ, which is an organ that all in all has many functions, more than 200 functions, as I said before, and has no shape.
Carlotta .: This seems clear to me, our brain can think very well, it can be active, it can be cured, but if we have a sick liver, or a bowel with problems, in short, that’s all ….
Dr. Giovanni .: Our whole emotional part is in the abdomen, it is in the chest, lungs, heart and sympathetic and parasympathetic.
Carlotta .: Acupuncture stimulates the nerves.
Dr. Giovanni .: Exactly, it stimulates the nerves and they are autonomous nerves. It does not concern the state of consciousness, it does not concern the brain even if they are always linked to it, but the autonomous system for the very fact that it is called autonomous, works on its own, I do not say to the heart beat, it is the heart that beats alone, then if I have a tachycardia, the brain informs me that I am beating fast, but the heart beats automatically as well as the breath.
Carlotta .: So how does an acupuncture session take place in Tong Ren, in particular? How long does it last?
Dr. Giovanni .: Basically everything on three quarters of an hour an hour between one story and another Because let’s say the relationship with the patient is fundamental.
Carlotta .: First, as in any other medical examination, a verbal exchange
Dr. Giovanni .: the other thing I would like to emphasize is this, just to speak further, that we are used to thinking only in biochemical terms and we have forgotten Galvani’s bioelectricity. If perhaps there would have been fewer chemical industries and more bioelectricity we would have spent much better and better … ..
Carlotta .: Explain this concept better, Doctor.
Dr. Giovanni .: So let’s say, since we are made of bioelectricity, bioelectricity is immediately, it is fast, if we are made of biochemistry, it is slow. A hormone takes a while to arrive, a nervous stimulus arrives immediately.
Carlotta .: ok it’s very clear, by bioelectricity you mean the one created by our nerves, plus by the liquids we have in our body.
Dr. Giovanni .: The same discourse of walking, we walk and what do we do? Piezo electricity, that is, we stimulate with our feet an electricity that pervades the whole body
Carlotta .: that’s why we have an almost immediate benefit.
Dr. Giovanni .: Strangely, the point under the foot, in Chinese medicine is called Uno Ren, Juan Quan, Gushing Spring, what does that mean? That through the water, I give a piezo electricity to the whole body and to our bones, which everyone sees as structures that make us erect, in reality they are just capacitors, that is, I pressing, walking, I bring electricity inside the body, which during the day is accumulated as calcium in the bones and at night these bones are discharged but they send calcium to the organs and take water from the organs and from what is around there. This is why we often hear people complain of night pains, why? Because water enters, the bones fill up because they have thrown out the calcium.
Carlotta .: We would have to talk for hours and hours, then …
Dr. Giovanni .: So my approach, going back, is first to see when the brain is informed by the nerves, and therefore the most important place is the neck, because in the neck I can find, the vagus that belongs to the parasympathetic, and it practically reaches my stomach and you can find it on both side of the neck and it is the first nerve of the parasympathetic. And then we do another consideration, there was a gentleman named Otto Warburg, who in 1936, took the Nobel Prize for medicine, because he discovered that all the cells of the body, in lack of oxygen, for 48 hours, then two days, as many as 25% become cancerous.
What does it mean? It means that we don’t need the pill, we don’t need medicine, we need oxygen !!!!
And where do we find oxygen? In the neck!!! Not making the nerves breathe, but giving a stimulus on the phrenic, giving a stimulus on the long thoracic nerve.
Carlotta .: We give advice to people, many people can turn to Doctor Cellerini, contacting us or looking on the Internet for Doctor Giovanni Cellerini who is absolutely traceable throughout Italy, but, doctor, we can already give advice to people who perhaps also on their own they can stimulate, in what way, let us see a little.
(Doctor Giovanni puts its thumb of the right hand, few inches under the ear, to show where the Vagus nerve is located.)
Dr. Giovanni. : They find the vague here, they will feel a hard point, especially people suffering from ulcers. They will find it, sore, to the left or for hiatal hernia sufferers too. The phrenic, you will find it an inch below,
Carlotta .: So the vague and the phrenic are one on top of the other on both sides, so massaging brings oxygenation to the whole body
Dr. Giovanni .: The long thoracic nerve is found here, a little behind the level of the fifth cervical. (C5).
Carlotta .: Obviously we hint at things then, I wouldn’t want people to make mistakes and there is a risk of
getting hurt.
Dr. Giovanni. : Not to get hurt, but you will feel pain but it means that there is. So the important thing is that the disease arises from a lack of oxygen. We have interpreted it as alkalinity or acidity.
The alkaline environment heals everything, the acid environment makes everything sick, therefore alkaline diets, which however do not exist because alkalinity is given by not eating, it is given only by oxygen, but we cannot stop eating because we would die in other ways. However, alkalinity is given by the amount of oxygen
Carlotta .: Listen, then I have to ask you a question, I would have a huge amount of questions, so is acupuncture indicated more for mental or physical problems?
Dr. Giovanni .: I would say for physical problems, for example, the only example, post-Covid pulmonary fibrosis, a patient who comes to me in the clinic, and had left the hospital with an oxygen saturation of 87. Sent home without a cylinder oxygen. Luckily he meets a pulmonologist who brings him to 94.
Patient who goes up to my clinic forgetting the oxygen cylinder, and I have to sting in a rush.
Patient who rises from 94 with oxygen to 98 by putting a needle on the phrenic on the right and on the vagus on the left
And he starts saying I breathe, I breathe.
Carlotta .: you put the needles, as you said a little while ago, on the phrenic and vagus nerve and from there the situation is released.
- Giovanni.: I saw this patient again, he has 99 oxygen saturation, he does not use an oxygen cylinder, and he even went to make wood.
Carlotta. : Nooo !!!!! We were a little breathless ourselves.
Dr. Giovanni .: Only example, then you can put many others but this is more significant.
Carlotta. : Doctor Cellerini, then, it was nice to close like this but I would like to know more about it, tell us what types of disorders, problems he has encountered where he feels really safe?
All forms, so let’s say the various herniated discs, are treated very well, the headache is treated very well, and then we go on to more difficult things, a stroke we can cure even after years, degenerative neurological forms, Parkinson’s. I am talking about oncological forms but I do not want to say many things because here we enter a minefield.
Carlotta. : But you are not saying to give up medicine, a person can get there but you are not saying to choose between traditional or Oriental medicine. Initially, then the patient …
Dr. Giovanni .: I never ask my patients on which path, indeed especially the patients who have their own path, their drugs, it is right that they follow a foothold. Never take a foothold from the patient because it is very important. but that foothold can work much better if there is the activation of bioelectricity. Another case happened to me, a last result I saw yesterday, two days ago, a person with kidney cancer, in the course of chemo therapy, but the chemo therapy did not go further, because he was going in kidney failure, twice in a row. With acupuncture, with Tong Ren we managed not to go into kidney failure, so a thanks deserve to everyone if today this person no longer has the tumor.
Carlotta. : He doesn’t even have the tumor anymore !!
Dr. Giovanni .: He no longer has the tumor, let’s say, a month ago he had the negative markers.
Carlotta .: Let’s say that it helps to develop, facilitates and assists.
Dr. Giovanni. : It also facilitates a lot, I don’t want to take away the credit from chemo therapy.
Carlotta.: You are a traditional doctor. It is important to know how to recognize an acupuncturist who is truly prepared and not improvised ?
Dr. Giovanni. : We must look him in the eye, I would say this, and understand if we are in tune with him. Looking him in the eye, like all people, is more of an empathic level but not in telling jokes.
Carlotta .: However, there is no damage from acupuncture.
Dr. Giovanni .: Absolutely not by my point of view.
Carlotta .: We spend money in vain for ugly ones.
Dr. Giovanni. : But acupuncture cannot be many sessions, nothing happens, no, after two or three there must already be something.
Carlotta.: You is a traditional doctor. It is important to know how to recognize an acupuncturist who is truly prepared and not improvised.
Dr. Giovanni. : We must look him in the eye, I would say this, and understand if we are in tune with him. Looking him in the eye, like all people, is more of an empathic level but not in telling jokes.
Carlotta .: However, there is no damage from acupuncture.
Dr. Giovanni .: Absolutely not by myself.
Carlotta .: In the worst case we will spend money in vain.
Dr. Giovanni. : But acupuncture cannot be many sessions, nothing happens, no, after two or three there must already be something.
Carlotta .: This is fundamental and I really like it because you will like it too, I’m sure, because when you say that after two or three sessions you can understand if it works or not, it is a question of honesty.
Thank you to Dr. Cellerini, acupuncturist is reductive, our doctor and could be anywhere in the world because he really has a fundamental preparation and thanks to the Tong Ren Italia Foundation, founded by Dr. Cellerini
TV interview with Doctor Giovanni Cellerini
Italy 22 – Feb. – 2021
The TV Station is located in the town of Pisa, in the Region ( State ) of Tuscany.
The interview was done in two 30 minutes parts. The second one will follow.
The journalist name is Carlotta Romualdi.
Carlotta .: Good afternoon, welcome back, dear viewers, today I am very happy because it is one of those episodes in which we do not speak strictly about Covid or other topics that unfortunately are on the agenda but we exude a little and we enter a fascinating world, a world that truly opens doors that unfortunately for our daily life we are sometimes forced to keep closed. Through this program it is also the case that we learn about worlds that can bring us to health but in a slightly different way from what we are used to in Italy, Europe and the Western world.
Although we must say that acupuncture, this is today’s topic, is becoming more and more known, here with us, thank goodness. I wanted to invite today, in our broadcast, one of the top experts, nationally but not only, it is an important life story that I wanted to be present in our program because the acupuncture expert I called is a general practitioner who, therefore, treated families, his patients, and a doctor expert in sports rehabilitation, in short, sports medicine. So he dealt with sports at great levels, well from then on, his story starts, as one of the most important acupuncturists at national level.
Welcome and thank you for being here to Dr. Giovanni Cellerini, welcome and welcome in this TV living room.
Dr. Giovanni .: Thank you Carlotta.
Carlotta .: I want to start with the question of questions, what is acupuncture, is it an oriental practice or something more ?.
Dr. Giovanni .: Acupuncture is certainly something more, it is an extremely involving therapeutic system from a mental point of view because it transforms the person who does it into an analogue mechanism and not a Cartesian one. So we are no longer in the Cogito Ergo and Sum and immediately find the solution to the problem, but we are in a connection with a thousand aspects of the person who. They concern him deeply, they concern the environment in which he lives, they concern, if we want to put him in a Western medicine point of view, they concern the connection with the collective Jungian Unconscious.
Carlotta .: Here there are still notions, now we will try to speak a little more simply, but it is right to talk about concepts that belong to psychotherapy because, because the body and mind are extremely united even though it’s about acupuncture.
Dr. Giovanni .: I would say the body and mind are so united that we can therefore say that psychosomatic medicine does not exist absurdly, because an acupuncture point is a psychic point and a physical point, and at the same time, if we look at it from a western point of view and consider a mixed nerve not only sensory motor but also sympathetic and parasympathetic. We are in a situation of opening a thousand doors with one point. So it will be the combination of which doors to open by the acupuncturist to give a message to the patient’s body.
Carlotta .: Can we say that acupuncture can be used for any kind of discomfort, problem, pathology?
Dr. Giovanni .: Yes, it is a therapeutic system, which has its limits as does our medicine, it has a placebo effect like all medicines, including Western medicine, but we say it has a big advantage because it is based solely on the energies that the person has. If we have to make a parallel, the word energy is very vague, with what we think in Western medicine, we can talk about the bioelectricity of the person.
Carlotta .: Here I am pleased with all this, the images show Dr. Cellerini, at work with his patients, practicing acupuncture in his office in Florence, Dr. Cellerini practices his work not only in his region but also in all of Northern Italy and wherever it is called.
Carlotta .: We are talking about energy, it is important to make people understand that, here, precisely, what he was saying a few seconds ago, is that there is more than a vague energy but it is something more. scientifically demonstrable.
Dr Giovanni .: The Chinese speak of Qi or Chi, we speak vaguely of energies, in reality we can define the word Chi as bioelectricity, and bioelectricity is ours, it is Italian, it is Luigi Galvani, who is the anatomist, the doctor of anatomy of the University of Bologna, and Galvani seems to us an extremely distant person, because the discovery of bioelectricity on experiments on frogs dates back to 1798. But in reality, Volta, who discovered the light bulb, discovered it two years later, on Galvani’s studies.
Volta is from 1800, the other is from 1798 and it seems to us in prehistoric times. It is actually very modern.
Carlotta .: And above all, it is extremely linked to that acupuncture that seems to us to be the heritage of the oriental world, of the Chinese tradition, but in fact it can be absolutely reported also in our daily life.
Dr. Giovanni .: Yes and this is also important to understand that energy is not something imaginative, but it is an electric field created by many parts of our body, primarily by the nerves, because those who conduct electricity in the body are the nerves, and acupuncture is a deep scientific study of the nerves, very often it is said that the Chinese did not know anatomy, the Chinese knew much more than anatomy, they knew the functionality of anatomy, and since you cannot cure a person by quarter them, you must have a reference map of the nerves, where they go deep, on to the skin.
Carlotta .: Our director is very good who has put on an image of a sort of doll that represents our body, there are other images that represent the upper part, then we get to it, Dr. Cellerini, you who are traditionally trained westerner, sports doctor, general practitioner, since the end of the 70s, you approached this world of acupuncture, what did it give you more than what you already had in your baggage?
Dr. Giovanni .: It gave me that completeness of man that our medicine has unfortunately lost, I wanted to go back a step, we also consider that we are not only nerves but we are also water and therefore as such we have a path within us of electrolytes, of ions, and therefore of further strengthening of our magnetic field. We create an electric field and a magnetic field outside us.
Carlotta .: Do we create this exclusively during the sessions or always?
Dr. Giovanni .: Always, constantly we are united to each other by ours, let’s say, aurea, using Indian terms, of Indian medicine but in reality we are united by magnetic fields, in this moment we are in a single one that includes me and you, Carlotta, and at the same time our magnetic fields are united.
Carlotta .: So in every moment our interaction with others and perhaps also with objects or magnetic fields belong only to living beings,
Dr. Giovanni .: Exactly only to living beings.
Carlotta .: Because it is made of that bioelectricity which is composed of the nerves, of the water of our body.
Dr. Giovanni .: Exactly, this bioelectricity is Italian.
Carlotta .: It is Italian because it was discovered in the late 1700s by Galvani. So the question was what brought bioelectricity the most to the traditional medicine in which Dr. Cellerini was trained?
Dr. Giovanni .: It has led, we are led to have specialists everywhere, the gynecologist, the dentist, the orthopedist, the physiatrist, when a patient comes to me he is usually seen fragmented, while bioelectricity leads you to consider the patient as a single person where a part may be sick, but perhaps the disease is not from that part but from another part of the body.
Carlotta .: how do you understand where you start from in a problem with a person in front of you? Now there is an experience here, yours, by now, more than forty years old, but where do we start from?
Dr. Giovanni .: We start by looking at the patient, feeling him speacking, seeing how he moves, how he approaches you, seeing him undressed, touching him, understanding even if certain parts of him, from a distance, give strange vibrations. This way we understand well that the way to behave and unite with a patient, in my case is acupuncture. Acupuncture is not the end, it is a means. We can interact with the patient with our brain waves, we can interact with the patient by touch, we can interact with the needle. The field of acupuncture becomes almost reductive as it is so broad and good in the interaction with the patient.
Carlotta .: So I wrote acupuncturist, what would be better to say?
Dr. Giovanni .: It would be better to say that Dr. Cellerini is an expert on Tong Ren.
Carlotta .: Tong Ren, what is it?
Dr. Giovanni .: Then Tong Ren is a particular acupuncture field in which the impact of the cerebral waves of the practitioner, of the therapist, on the patient is evaluated and this can allow you to treat the patient in place, in front of you. and remotely and to be able to intervene even at a distance on the patient
Carlotta .: this is extremely difficult, we said a little while ago, Dr. Cellerini that we have a magnetic field that is present here, you and I, but how can we do it at a distance?
Dr. Giovanni .: At a distance it is done in a very simple way, considering that brain waves are waves, they enter quantum medicine, that is, in reality, we connect quietly at a distance with people and in this way we can cure the patients.
Carlotta .: We need many examples, people need to understand with concrete examples, tell us one or two stories, difficult eh, have you had so many experiences in this field that have really impressed you?
Dr. Giovanni .: Well, let’s say this, very often, in my clinic, you can see that I start doing acupuncture or hammering some dolls.
Carlotta .: What is voodoo? Nooo very different. No there must be a video, I tell our director to broadcast the video in which we see our doctor Cellerini with a hammer in his hand, he targets a doll and it is very interesting to understand why he does it.
Dr. Cellerini .: Now in reality this beating the doll for a patient’s problem is of no use to the patient who is with his eyes closed, or especially if he is sometimes at a distance that cannot understand where I am hammering but it is of use to me, to Dr. Cellerini, to maintain a state of attention on the pathology and if necessary to free that pathology. here, then a practical example, I can bring …
Carlotta .: What happens, the example will soon arrive, also because then the minutes pass and this story makes us fly with time and looking at the image of you hammering the doll, what happens at that moment. Please explain what is happening and what happens to the patient.
Dr. Giovanni .: Then this happens, that the patient, the patient’s brain waves, Dr. Cellerini’s brain waves coordinate with those of the patient and begin to vibrate like two pendulums with the same frequency. And this can be with one patient or with several people temporarily
Carlotta .: okay then here we enter into incredible things but … ..
Dr. Giovanni .: And everything is given by the Jungian collective unconscious because.
Carlotta .: let’s explain it better for those who want clarification.
Dr. Giovanni .: So let’s say that all people want to heal.
Carlotta .:. I hope so, I don’t think there is an unconscious of wanting to stay sick.
Dr. Giovanni .: Exactly and that the doctor has all the will to heal or make his patient feel better, therefore this healing unconscious that already echoes in the air and that connects us to all past healing experiences, to all that is vibrating in the world right now to bring about healing. At the same time it is connected to the therapist’s intent of healing and the patient’s intent to be healed.
Carlotta .: This is a fundamental aspect, a basis, let’s say the ground on which we act ok?
Dr. Giovanni .: so if the patient refuses this approach, one cannot enter
Carlotta .: did it happen to you? can it happen?
Dr. Giovanni .: It happens very often in extremely rigid-minded patients, in extremely skeptical patients, but in some cases there is a loophole. You know that you have an extremely rigid patient in front of you, extremely skeptical but you do not know how skeptical or rigid his collective unconscious, his personal unconscious is.
It has also happened to people who come to me for problems and tell me: ‘look, I don’t believe it but you put on with the hammer and the doll and do what you have to do because afterwards I feel better.’
Carlotta .: So let’s start from here, an experience on this type, initially bad in the sense that with an approach that in a certain sense is frozen but then instead “tac”
Dr. Giovanni .: A sciatica, being able to cure a sciatica, placing yourself in front of a person and working with the doll on the locking points, of the body, of the person, only using the doll.
Carlotta. so without even the needles?
Dr. Giovanni .: Without even needles, this can also be achieved.
Carlotta .: Without the needles once or more times?
Dr. Giovanni .: No at once or by putting the needles on the doll. Then ……
Carlotta .: No one moment, the doll is stiff, how do you get the needles in?
Dr. Giovanni .: The doll is made of plastic.
Carlotta .: Doctor Cellerini, why is there, wait a moment, is this practice all Tong Ren? A type of acupuncture?
Dr. Giovanni. : A type of acupuncture.
Carlotta .: But isn’t it that you invented it?
Dr. Giovanni .: No, it was invented by my teacher Tom Tam who is a major acupuncture doctor, Chinese, master of chi fung and tai chi who over the years has developed this technique and has now been 25 years of this experience. curative with extremely important results.
Carlotta .: Important, did you also go to America to meet this Master?
Dr. Giovanni .: I also went to America in Boston to see him because …
Carlotta .: Did you stay in Boston to learn this technique?
Dr. Giovanni .: Yes, yes necessarily because …….. and it really happened when I was in Minnesota, I was doing quite other things, Korean acupuncture, and from there … ..
Carlotta .: that’s a whole other stuff
Dr. Giovanni .: That it is a whole other world, let’s say we are used to hearing about acupuncture as a monolithic structure but it is like our medicine, there are various currents, it is like painting pictures, we have the expressionists , cubists and others, this is a way to approach the problem, let’s say. And in Minnesota there was an argument between me and Dr. Lovash, who is a Pole, a pupil of a Master who invented Korean hand acupuncture, and we got into an argument. At one point he knew this teacher, I knew that other teacher and he says:’ but do you know him? ‘ And he gets me a book, it was a Tom Tam book. Doctor Lovash tells me, listen I don’t know what this person is up to but I know that his patients cry, laugh and heal. So I wanted to go and see for myself, I bought the book, in fact I first experimented with the book in my clinic. I found it extremely interesting, it was Tong Ren Healing
Carlotta .: How is it written? So people can go looking for him: Tong Ren, this is the teacher you learned from… ..
Dr. Giovanni .: No this is the method, the teacher is Tom Tam
Carlotta .: No, we know the Tong Ren method, sorry I got confused, the teacher is Tom Tam this is because it is right that people get information, right?
Dr. Giovanni .: Yes, and the method was one of the first things Tom said to me, he said, sorry, but to put needles on the person, sometimes, if you don’t have an intention, if you don’t work well with your brain waves, you are doing a somatic puncture, it is much stronger if you put the needles on a doll because in this case you are in full collective unconsciousness and simply doing something …….
Carlotta .: Master Tom Tam who is still alive, still in Boston, are you in touch? You are one of his favorite students in regards to our country, Italy
So the last question, is acupuncture recognized in Italy 37 seconds?
Dr. Giovanni .: It has been recognized, there are many schools of acupuncture, there are many ways of doing it, especially traditional Chinese acupuncture is known which, however,one is the Chinese of Mao, it does not have a big history, it is not classical Chinese acupuncture that has been around for millennia.
Carlotta .: This is just the beginning, there will be another episode entirely dedicated to acupuncture always with Dr. Cellerini so come back and follow us, you can find Dr. Cellerini on the Internet or contact us and we will give you the necessary information.